However, the Illyrians were hardly known in the Greek world, because the Greek colonization on the East Adriatic coast started only very limited or late. Greek imported goods from this time (metal goods, weapons, ceramics) are proven by Illyrian grave finds. Serbs must go to parties over weekend, hence the protests, students are also representatives of classic mob, money wasted on education of fools, Rexo never was & never will be a Pelasgian, Big earthquake in Croatia, you could feel it in most of Serbia too. And Yugoslavians and Albanians are the descendants of the Illyrians, Romans, and Slavs. ^ the name Slav has many negative connotations stemming from their enemies, ROMANS! Of letters with diacritics, only the letters č, ž, š and ě are retained. & Pro. The saksan employees wrote "covid". In addition to the online result, you will receive a noble certificate of origin in a picture frame and other documents in an elegant folder. Illyrians are people who populated modern day Balkans/Southern Europe. You will receive an additional list of other relatives of the paternal line (men) OR the maternal line (women). Iliri su slavenskog roda i jezika, povijest Ilira je povijest naših drevnih slavenskih predaka A strong tribal chieftain, however, could unite several tribes into a kingdom. Some reached a higher level of development: the difference in civilization was particularly great between the coastal peoples and the tribes in the interior. The hypothesis of Illyrian descent is based on the assumption that there is a remaining Illyrian population in the Albanian highlands, which survived the upheavals of the migration of peoples (4th to 6th century). 1.7K likes. The Thracians were advanced in metalworking and in horsemanship. The Senate Province of Illyricum included large parts of the later province of Dalmatia and parts of Pannonia. This mans health got worse after few days, now he is in Serbian hospital. Excerpt from the Byzantian cronicle states that during visit to Emperor Vasilis Basil II "the Bulgar-Slayer" (Βασίλειος Β΄ ὁ Βουλγαροκτόνος). > Focus > Western Mediterranean (Eu), Pro. The conflicts dragged on for a long period of time and only in 168 BC did the Illyrian kingdom capitulate. Slavs (Bosniacs, Croats, Serbs) and other Roman tribes mixed with these early inhabitants. ok... Anyways this is not the point. With the Bulgarians, it is the Thracians, Romans, Greeks, and Slavs. But already in the "Iliad" of Homer (8th century B.C.) let you buddy pyrros translate this for you .... John Skylitzes Chronicles, historian 11th century. These territories roughly correspond to territories formerly inhabited by Thraco-Illyrians in the south and Schytian-Sarmatians in the north. Illyrians were attributed to south slavs in specific Serbs and Croats, Illyrianism being the essence behind Yugoslavia (South Slavia). Slavs are the most numerous ethnic and linguistic group in Europe inhabiting about half of European continent and significant part of Asia. ), a land that stretched from the upper parts of the Adriatic region down to the Rhyzonian Gulf and the land of the Ardiaei, between the sea and the Pannonian peoples. written and online after approx. Thats obviously not the case. ^^^^ church slavonic and the bulgarian empire, In the meantime in the real world : Greece indeed has a lot of Jakavica toponyms (Bulgarian) but Alb is full of Ekavica... lol. Sv78. At the beginning of the Middle Ages, they split into three groups: one group migrated to Central Europe (the Western Slavs), another group went to Eastern Europe (the Eastern Slavs) while the last group remained in the Balkans (the South Slavs). The term Illyria was probably the only one available with the necessary range of meaning to cover even approximately the areas under consideration; it is certain that this term paved the way for the late antique use of the word, as "Illyrian" under Emperor Septimius Severus (193-211 AD) described the army stationed in the Balkans and later several emperors who came from the Balkans. The term "Illyrians" is a collective name for an Indo-European group of peoples in the countries of the eastern Adriatic coast from Epirus to the Morawa and the middle Danube and in the northwest of the Adriatic Sea the Illyrian Venetes, which are divided into many individual tribes and are related to the Thracians. Since the 1830s there have been efforts in the Balkan Peninsula to trace the origins of their own people back to ancient peoples. The Illyrians on the Adriatic coast gradually acculturated, adopted Roman ways of life and, in the course of generations, also made a change of language to Latin. Stop dealing with haters. The fact is, since the early Middle Ages, the neighbourhood of the Romanised coastal inhabitants has been inhabited by people from the interior who had retained their Illyrian mother tongue and culture. Celts So they try to hide the fact that there were so many Serbian (Slavic) tribes into the Germanic lands, still retaining their lang, but in very close contact with the allegedly "divine" gothic powers of civilization. The cultural and linguistic symbiosis between the Romanized Illyrians on the Adriatic coast and the Illyrian inhabitants of the mountainous interior, who had asserted their native traditions against the pressure of the Roman world, still appears in the Albanian language today. Serbs, Bulgarians, Croats are Slavic people. Please Login or Register. 9 govori o ovome. The hypothesis of Dacian descent assumes that the ancestors of the Albanians immigrated from the north-east and that they are hardly romanized Dacians. For a long time, this area was not really dominated by either empire and thus offered opportunities for the development of an independent culture. I wish this thread not to be under my name since I never did started. This is an archive of past discussions. το δε γενομενον εν δαλματια παρα τησ Ρωμαικης επικουριας, και τα προμνημονευθεντα γενε των Σκυθον θεασαμενα, οι τε χρωβατοι και Σερβοι και οι λοιποι, πρεσβεις προς βασιλεα στελλουσιν αξιουντες ζευγλη της Ρωμαικης εξουσιας υπεισελθειν. In the period from the beginnings until the collapse of the Illyrian kingdom, the Illyrians showed themselves in varying alliances with tribes of common or similar origin and language. The proponents of the South Slavic national movements (especially among Croats) claimed that their people were descended from the Illyrians and propagated the cultural, ethnic and political unity of all South Slavs. Bogoslav Šulek (1816.-1895.) The language of the Venetians, who are widespread in northeastern Italy, is also closely related. Romans eradicated and/or altered many originals to suit their agenda, just as we are noting today, evil is still evil only modernised to a digital form. Albanians are not descendants of the Illyrians and to suggest that they are is absolute joke. Between 800-1000 A.C the Albanian regions were part of the mighty Bulgarian Kingdom. Iliri su slavenskog roda i jezika, povijest Ilira je povijest naših drevnih slavenskih predaka And Slavs are not Illyrians. > Focus > Ancient Balkans / Haimos, Pro. South Slavs mixed mostly with Vlachs and Albanians, both of those are a mixture of other folks (Illyrians, Thracians, Dardanians e.g. It is not possible to give an exact date of the establishment of the province of Illyricum: according to Theodor Mommsen the province of Sulla might have been created. Ordered by 29% of customers for an origins analysis. & Pro. Pol. It is based mainly on similarities between Illyrian and Albanian language and the high density of old Balkan toponyms in the region in question. The Illyrians, bearers of the Hallstatt culture, were divided into tribes, each a self-governing community with a council of elders and a chosen leader. They didn't know about these people till around the 18th century. Administratively, numerous tribes and peoples who had no ethnic connection to the Illyrians (Liburni, Histri) were classified as Illyricum and called Illyrian because they lived in Illyria. Since about 1000 BC local cultures developed with continuity into the Iron Age (8th-6th century BC). You will know the haplogroup and migrations (prehistoric time), the ancient tribe (antiquity) as well as the region of origin (Middle Ages) of the paternal line (men) OR the maternal line (women). & Pro. Germanic Tribes The origin of all ancestors is determined according to regions and percentages. Two great misconceptions, mostly malicious (nationalist-chauvinist-driven), reign the historical sciences in the western-Balkans for the last two and a half centuries. croatian historian and scientist: „history teaches us that the ancient Illyrians were Slavs.“ Serbs should only go to Bulgaria. > CRO-SPARTACUS'S WORLD -. They formed one of the three main groups of Indo-European populations in the Balkans prior to 2000 BC, along with Thracians and Greeks. Also I agree Albanians come from the Caucasus Above all Albanian, but also some non-Albanian researchers are of the opinion that the Albanian language is the successor of Illyrian. Since time immemorial the Illyrians have appeared as opponents and competitors first of the Greeks and later of the Macedonians. The relationship of the ancient Illyrians to the Albanians is controversial in research. But the conquest of the whole area inhabited by Illyrians lasted even longer. After the defeat of King Perseus of Macedonia in 168 BC, it was incorporated into the province of Macedonia. > Focus > Ancient Mediterranean, Pro. As a rule, they owed their rise to their military prowess and, through internal reforms and successes in foreign policy, contributed greatly to resolving the crisis of the third century. & Pro. The Illyrians were assimilated by the Roman colonists and probably by other people too. In general, the entire territory south of Formio was known as Illyria; under Augustus, probably between 18 and 12 B.C., Histria Illyricum was conquered and, together with Venetia, incorporated into the 10th region. No, Albanians are not Slavs. All subsequent Roman conquests, first the rest of the Illyrian kingdom, then the northern coastal regions and the Damaltine hinterland, were gradually added to Illyria. > Focus > Middle East (NAfr/WAsia), Pro. The ethnogenesis of the Albanians took place until the first mention of the ethnic group at the turn of the 11th and 12th centuries in the western border area between the Bulgarian and the Byzantine Empire. In South Illyria an Illyrian kingdom was established in the 5th century BC. The term "Illyria" was also used in late antiquity to describe the western Balkan peninsula. They intermingled with the Greeks and gave them the Dionysian and Orphean cults,… If you disagree with these hypotheses, please tell me politely(I know I say that a lot but I think having respectable dignity is an honorable characteristic). Most Slavs I know here don't believe in Covid as well. We are Slavs. The geographical distribution of these regional cultures reflects the differentiation of the Illyrian tribes. From this settlement symbiosis, in the area of northern Albania, the Albanian people emerged, in whose collective ethnicity the traces of Illyrianism have been preserved. The Illyrians (Ancient Greek: Ἰλλυριοί, Illyrioi; Latin: Illyrii or Illyri) were a group of Indo-European tribes, who inhabited the western Balkans in classical antiquity. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page Epirus. Jul 2008 196. Iliri su slavenskog roda i jezika, povijest Ilira je povijest naših drevnih slavenskih predaka Already under Augustus (63 B.C. When in the last quarter of the 6th century the Danube region was devastated by Slavic, Avaric and Hunnish attackers and finally escaped imperial control for a long time, the area lost its importance as a recruitment area for the army. Ordered by 55% of customers for an origins analysis. Basques My I2a2b is Slavic, my autosomal DNA is Albanian. For more than 7 centuries Illyrians and Romans (i.e. the Illyrian peoples Dardani and Paeones are mentioned as allies of the Trojans. The Illyrians are a group of people which inhabited the northwestern part of the Balkan Peninsula, from the 10th century bce onward before Slavs invaded the Balkan Peninsula, and dispersed Illyrians south of the land to the highlands of Kosovo and Albania, they are one of the oldest Indo-European people. The Dardanians, for example, are thought to have been a Thracian tribe whose culture was transformed by the Illyrian one. But, Illyrians were largely Neolithic in genetics after their assimilation into Rome. свиђања. Furthermore, all Slavs formerly lived in the Balkans and were known by the ancient authors as the Illyrians. Due to printing difficulties, carons are used instead of tildes. Iliri su Slaveni / Illyrians are Slavs. Watch them spread the disease? In the Notitia dignitatum (around 395 A.D.) the prefecture of Illyricum orientale includes the dioceses of Macedonia (with Greece) and Dacia, while the diocese of Illyricum occidentale is part of the prefecture of Italia, with the two provinces of Noricum, the four of Pannonia and Dalmatia, but without Praevalitana. Jews Iliri su slavenskog roda i jezika, povijest Ilira je povijest naših drevnih slavenskih predaka The Illyrians were not an ethnically homogeneous people, but a confederation of different tribes. Historical influences on Albanian came from Latin, Greek, the southern Slavic contact languages and Turkish. Nothing illyrian about them. Ordered by 16% of customers for an origins analysis. Jul 23, 2008 #13 Lol and people in the Republic of macedonia are Macedonian like Alexander.. rep of Macedonia are Slavs, Macedon is in northern Greece. Greek and Latin writers of the time after the foundation of the protectorate of Illyricum, who mentioned Illyria and/or the Illyrians, did so only with regard to the administrative organization of the Balkans or in the geographical sense, because the northwest of the peninsula belonged mostly to Illyricum. The Romans conducted their campaigns mainly from their bases on the Italian Adriatic coast, but also from the Gallia Cisalpina. "Illyrian" here was not an ethnic attribution, but denoted the regional origin. Albanian is an ethnicity previously known as Illyrians, and later Albans (this is why we are still known as Alban-ians). When the Slavic people arrived to Southeastern Europe around 500-600 A.C the Illyrians/Albanians withdrew to the mountains and became nomads. The more northern Illyrians were probably proto-Illyrians. Because of their semi-legendary character, the Illyrians were well suited as a starting point for national identity building. Autosomally, Albanians and Greeks and Italians, even Bulgarians to a lesser extent, are largely Neolithic. The legacy of the Romanized Illyrians are more than 600 loan words of Latin origin in the Albanian vocabulary. and all known and unknown peoples). The Illyrians were the ancestors of modern day Albanians and historians claimed that they originated in central europe in modern day Germany and migrated to the Balkans where they intermixed with the greeks and then modern day Albanians came out of that mixture. Ulf bro, most Greekos think the same, simply the country was shutdown for no reason. This protectorate was probably the origin of the Roman conception of Illyria. Naturally, Albanians are not derived from all Illyrians - a lot of these ancient peoples romanized and later remained to intermingle with the Slavs, which is why a lot of Vlachs and South Slavs (particularly from the Dalmatia-Herzegovina-Montenegro triangle) can find some weird markers in their genetic ancestry. At the beginning of the Middle Ages, they split into three groups: one group migrated to Central Europe (the Western Slavs), another group went to Eastern Europe (the Eastern Slavs) while the last group remained in the Balkans (the South Slavs). Albanian is an Indo-Germanic language, which represents a branch of the language in its own right. There is evidence to back up the Slavic migration. A Mucus Sample suffices to get a sample of your DNA. The distribution area of the Illyrians extended in the northwest of the Balkan region, from the Adriatic coast of Dalmatia to Macedonia. In fact, the ancestors of the Illyrian emperors belonged - as far as can be seen from the written sources - to the more or less strongly Romanised provincial population of the Danube countries. The unifying factor was mainly the locally varying degree of Romanisation. Albgrots try to sell the notion of the Slavs as being Asian and .... Mongols like this Tatar "sokol" claims. A world map shows your different origins. Some remnants of their languages seems to be present in Albanian and Romanian languages who are probably closest relatives of those people. The first misconception concerns the never-ending disputation between the … Pol. Admine, very interesting, forwarding to wifey. What should they do? The Slavic migration is the only possible explanation. The name Illyricum was now used for other administrative units. The tribes of that region are described in the reports of Roman writers as "Illyrians in the true sense". For information about Illyrian Prehistory and Bronze Age see: Illyrians #Origins Only with the iGENEA Expert Test you will find all your genetic relatives in our database. Pol. The Roman conquest of the Balkan Peninsula and the establishment of the province of Illyricum accelerated the indiscriminate use of the name Illyrians. Among them were the Dalmatians in central Dalmatia, the Liburnians (northwest Dalmatia), Taulantians (northern Albania), Breukians (on the lower course of the Sava, Sirmies), Japods (western Bosnia), Paeonians (northeast of Macedonia), and others. Aboriginal Australians Arabs Berbers Chinese Dacians Etruscans Iberians Indigenous peoples of the Americas Inka Inuit Italic peoples Japanese people Kurds Ligures Maya Mongols Oceanic tribes Persians Romani people Scythians Slavs Tibetans Phoenicians Indians Koreans Bantus Turkic peoples Sámi people Illyrians Vandals Balts Macedonians Hellenes Huns Thracians Finno-Ugric peoples Indo-Europeans. Furthermore, all Slavs formerly lived in the Balkans and were known by the ancient authors as the Illyrians. over part of the Illyrian territory, was called "Illyria" in Latin. The disease? Pre-Indo-Germanic populations were involved in the process of Illyrian ethnogenesis, which entered into a union with the oldest Indo-Germanic immigrants. The series begins with Decius (249-251 AD), but essentially comprises the emperors Claudius Gothicus (268-270), Aurelian (270-276), Probus (276-282), Diocletian (284-305), Maximianus (286-305) and Constantine (306-337). & Pro. A central research problem is the question of an Illyrian tribe, because from the beginning the word "Illyrians" has been used by the ancient authors in the meaning of a tribal association. Send the samples with the envelop included in the sampling kit. There are great onomastic and cultural differences between the different peoples in Illyria. These attacks were directed against various tribes and peoples who later entered the province of Illyricum, especially the Histri, who were already subjugated in 177 BC. Illirians and Thracians are extinct cultures. ), Other History Topics (Arts,Sociality.etc), History Forum - Ancient Mediterraneans & West Asia, History Forum - Ancient 'Haimos' (Balkans), Provocative Politics and Propaganda or Deliberate spreading of ideas, info, or rumor, Pro. Pol. Following the failed "Pannonian revolt" (8 AD), an intensive Romanisation of the towns in Illyria began. Don't be ridiculous, they should be graceful they allowed them to go back home. That's why nowadays Slavs want to become Illyrians, and Bulgarians are wannabe Macedonians. The Illyrians challenged the Romans with their Adriatic fleet in 229 BC. In Balkans: Illyrians and Thracians …peoples dominated the area: the Illyrians to the west and the Thracians to the east of the great historical divide defined by the Morava and Vardar river valleys. - 14 A.D.) the name Illyricum no longer had anything to do with the originally Illyrian territory in the south of Dalmatia; since 32 B.C. Most likely, although the Illyrians are related to the Albanians of today, they are only one of several elements of the ethnogenesis of this people. The evidence that's Slavs killed and burned Illyrians is overwhelming. Welcome Guest. Italian colonists, Roman administrators and merchants) were in contact. From then on, most of the army commanders came from Asia Minor, and the time of the Illyrian emperors had also come to an end. By the time of Late Antiquity, the Illyrian inhabitants of the Adriatic coast were largely Romanised. Also the whole Northern Balkans was abandoned before the Slavs came because of Avar raids. Only around shkoder area Slavs burned every little Illyrian city, 40 cities in total. srbin.info/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/2-21.jpg, mondo.rs/Magazin/Stil/a1344295/Srbi-oterani-iz-Grcke-deportovani-zbog-koroneletovanje.html, illyria.proboards.com/thread/40452/common-chit-chat-thread. Trade and traffic of the Greeks with the Illyrians, feared by them as barbarian and pirate, took place since the 6th century BC via the two Greek cities in the Illyrian region: Apollonia and Epidamnos. Since there are only very few sources, exclusively short inscriptions as well as individual place, people and person names for the Illyrian language, a proof is very difficult. Only with the iGENEA Expert Test you will know the exact haplogroups and migrations (prehistoric times), the peoples of origin (antiquity) and regions of origin (Middle Ages) of the paternal AND maternal line. The Albanians first appear in the historical record in Byzantine sources of the 11th century. Taking the sample is simple and painless and can be done at home. As a layman, without knowing anything about genealogy, I find interesting comparing my northern with my … North of the core area of Illyrian settlement, tribes were widespread which were also attributed to the Illyrians, but which also show characteristics of other ancient peoples. 6 - 8 weeks. Iliri su Slaveni / Illyrians are Slavs. The earliest mentions of the Illyrians are found in Hecataios of Miletus (5th century B.C.). false-Greeks hate Serbs. The proponents of this theory base this on some lexical and grammatical similarities between the Romanian and Albanian languages, which can be traced back to an Old Balkan substrate. Almost nothing is known about the Illyrian language; in Hesychios only one word is defined as Illyrian, while over 100 are defined as Macedonian. Since the 3rd century BC there were also constant conflicts between Illyrians and Romans. ^2 clowns ....both with red chapped hands from high-fiving each other or who knows what else, It is high treason for a Greek or Serb to acknowledge Albanians as descendants of the Illyrians. Only in some of them are there indications of belonging to long-established peoples of the region. The only serious Slavic land in south balkans who respects other Slavs. When under Emperor Vespasian (69-79 AD) the provinces Dalmatia and Pannonia were formed from Illyricum, none of the newly formed provinces retained the old name. The name of the Illyrians became the name for many neighbouring tribes that were only loosely connected with them. at the whole topic of this thread and of this Aussie serb promoting Alb heroes, Illyria Forums (Balkans/Mediterraneans/World), Hellenism - Civilization's Alpha & Omega -, Hellenism and Today = Western or Modern Civilization, Hellenism - Illyria Forums Participants Philosophy Debate, Eastern (& Slavic) Europe (RUSSIA, Ukr, Pol, Cze, etc), BOARDS: REGIONAL - WEST (ROMAN) MEDITERRANEAN, BOARDS: REGIONAL - S & E 'MEDS' (N. AFRICA & W. ASIA), BOARDS: REGIONAL - 'MEDS' IN AMERICAS & S.PACIFIC, Nordic Europe (Ire, UK, Ger, Scandinavia etc), East Asia (Chi, Jap, Kor, Thai, Phi, etc), Physical (Racial) Anthropology - Discussion, Alternative Theories(Aliens,Atlantis,etc. Illyrian linguistic endeavours led to the emergence of the Serbo-Croatian language, Serbo-Croats and Yugoslavs respectively. You will receive a list of genetic relatives in your online result. During the Bronze Age certain techniques of pottery production and burial forms (burials) spread from the Balkans to southern Italy. You can contact your relatives by email to find out more about your family and background. no sine moj. With the Celts in the Balkans there were also warlike conflicts, but in some regions also mixed populations. Also, northern Illyria bordered present day Austria and Illyrians and Gothic … Illyrians or slaves, not Slavs! Illyrian is an Indo-European language, and is closest related to Messapian in southern Italy (Puglia). In the 4th century three dioceses of the new territorial-administrative structure of the Roman Empire were created in the Pannonian Balkan region (Pannonia, Moesia, Thracia): they belonged to the Illyricum, one of the four prefectures created by Emperor Constantine. In the northwest of the Balkan region, local cultures with characteristic features known as proto-Illyrian developed from the 3rd millennium BC onwards. So aren't Albanians a Germanic peoples then? Only personal names and geographical names remain of them; it is not even certain whether the Illyrian languages belonged to the Kentum or Satem group. The northern Albanian mountainous region had remained untouched by the Slavic land grab at the end of the migration period (from the 6th century). In general, the Illyrians were enemies of the Macedonians since they had invaded Macedonia around 393 BC. However, after the Illyrian name, crest with a crescent moon and tri colour were banned by the emperors decree, by Germanic-Hungarian political decision the progeny of the ancient Illyrians were declared as Albanians, and south Slavs all of a sudden became “settlers from Carpathians”. Since the 1830s there have been efforts in the Balkan Peninsula to trace the origins of their own people back to ancient peoples. This spoils their pro-euro narration. 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